Love the simplicity......

[Rebel]

Just a few words to say I "love the simplicity" of the old boxer twins. My stepson has a Honda CBR-600RR sport bike and he loves all of the "new fangled" things like fuel injection........ After filling his bike up and bringing it home, it will now not start. From what I can tell, he has a fuel issue, and I suspect the fuel pump, since the bike starts fine on starter fluid. I can not believe the complexity to repair bikes these days!! Much like new cars where a laptop and diagnostic software are required. I am sure after his "repair bill" at the shop, he may look a lot more favorable at something a little more simple. I'll try to learn him yet...........

[Rob]

I lost a whole years riding because I removed the fuel tank and air box of my 2012 CBR250R. I never expected the mess I was getting myself into.
Luckily, last Sept. when I was selling off some stuff, getting ready to move, I met a delightful young man that loves motorcycles, Hondas in particular.
His profession? He buys BMW automobiles and fixes them up and flips them. Fuel injection? No problem. A myriad of wires and hoses in tight places? Well, he is young and getting paid $250 just to replace the above two items and make sure it is running, and provide transportation to and from his place.
I haven't heard it run yet. I have a new battery headed my way from an Amazon seller. Half the price as my local dealer. Then I get to go broke renewing my license and registration, and turning the insurance back on. It's been a while. I hope the tires are still good.

Yeah, I'll never touch that air box again. Maybe the fuel tank, if I really have to.
Luckily I have a go-to guy, although he has made noises about moving to another state... The plastic is no big deal, although I have not had the front (headlight) off yet.

[Rob]

P.S. And if you attempt anything, you will need the factory repair manual. I have one, and they are great, nothing at all like the BMW factory repair manuals, and much more accurate than the old Haynes and Clymers. A good investment.

http://www.diyrepairmanuals.com/search. ... rice=&pg=2



Also, videos on Youtube of fairing removal (professional, well lit, no chewing tobacco...) really helped.

Could be bad fuel? He didn't buy that E-shit, did he?

[Rebel]

Thanks, I have a repair manual that came with the bike, however, it states that you need the diagnostic tool to plug into the laptop with the proprietary connectors. Oh, IF you don't have that, you can just use this "other" special tool that will flash the light on the dashboard to give you a code. I have owned 18 Honda's over the years and NEVER seen anything like this!!

[Rob]

Yeah, I have read about reading codes on the 250 forum, but I haven't had the need to find out about it...yet.

edit: welcome to 21st century motoring.

[Jeff in W.C.]

welcome to 21st century motoring.

There's a quiet debate going on now in DC that would change vehicle ownership in a big way. Automotive manufacturers are arguing that the software in cars these days are proprietary and protected under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. This could change the way cars are repaired and upgraded. If upheld, this could limit or eliminate those who prefer to work on their own vehicles. It could also shut out the independent shops.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2483555,00.asp
http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/2039 ... ir-illegal

[Steve in Golden]

Software is taking over everything these days, it's only a matter of time before a hacker takes over an airplane.

And if a programmer makes a mistake, (and they do, all the time) it could bring down a jetliner. An error in the software for the 787 could cause the plane to lose all power mid-flight. The fix? Reboot the plane every 248 days.

Boeing 787 Dreamliners contain a potentially catastrophic software bug

Those pesky integer overflow errors can be so annoying.

[enigmaT120]

Thanks, I have a repair manual that came with the bike, however, it states that you need the diagnostic tool to plug into the laptop with the proprietary connectors. Oh, IF you don't have that, you can just use this "other" special tool that will flash the light on the dashboard to give you a code. I have owned 18 Honda's over the years and NEVER seen anything like this!!

It's easy to read the flash codes on my '04 Honda Insight. At least, after I took off my glasses so I could see the number 9 pin. Paper clip in that, ground it to the bracket, turn the ignition to "run" and count the flashes. Long = 10s, short = ones. It gives a more specific error code than I got from my little Bluetooth OBDII reader that links to my Android tablet. Of course, the factory manual's diagnostic procedures quickly led to the conclusion that I needed to replace the $2000 IMA battery pack. Luckily there's a forum for those cars, and after removing the 144V IMA battery I knew enough to test the main 100 amp fuse and it was bad. 30 bucks for a new one from Ebay and it's running fine again.

Let me re-phrase all that: I'll take his CBR for free. It's probably unfixable but I can stash it in my garage anyway. Yeah.

[dougie]

YIKES! And some people think carburettors are mysterious.

[barryh]

It's easy to read the flash codes on my '04 Honda Insight. At least, after I took off my glasses so I could see the number 9 pin. Paper clip in that, ground it to the bracket, turn the ignition to "run" and count the flashes. Long = 10s, short = ones. It gives a more specific error code than I got from my little Bluetooth OBDII reader that links to my Android tablet.

I used to do that with an old analogue AVO voltmeter by watching the needle swing. Diagnosed a faulty throttle pot on an 03 Ford.

Here's one that Pi**** me off recently. My new to me 5 year old Mercedes has a low fuel warning light when there are 8 Litres remaining. What's the one thing you need to know when you are low on fuel - how many miles you've done since the light came on. Nope it doesn't tell you that in fact the both the odometer and trip meter readings disappear completely to be replaced with a warning message to Refuel that can't be got rid of. That can probably be reprogrammed but only by the dealer with a laptop. Modern cars are a mixture of brilliant engineering with an utterly stupid level of dumbing down. And they call it progress.